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		<title>Can We Really Define “Man and Woman?”</title>
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According to the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force map, 40 states have some form of law or amendment that limits marriage to a man and a woman.  California recently declared their law unconstitutional, so that leaves 39 others.  Out of the remaining states and the District of Columbia, California and Massachusetts have full marriage [...]]]></description>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">According to the </span><a href="http://thetaskforce.org/downloads/reports/issue_maps/GayMarriage_09_25_07.pdf"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">National Gay and Lesbian Task Force</span></a><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;"> map, 40 states have some form of law or amendment that limits marriage to a man and a woman.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>California recently declared their law unconstitutional, so that leaves 39 others.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Out of the </span><a href="http://thetaskforce.org/downloads/reports/issue_maps/relationship_recognition_2_08_color.pdf"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">remaining states</span></a><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;"> and the District of Columbia, California and Massachusetts have full marriage equality, four have civil unions and four others plus DC recognizes same-sex couples in other ways.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">The heart of all of the laws, decisions and amendments we see the statement, “Marriage is between a man and a woman.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>From the very first time I heard that statement, I had to ask, “What constitutes a ‘man’ or a ‘woman’?”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>There are no legal definitions for these two words, and as we will see, the dictionary definitions don’t provide much help.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>No matter how you wish to define man and woman, there will always be exceptions to those definitions, shooting holes into the anti-same-sex laws and amendments.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">Before I get started, many transgender and intersex leaders would rather I keep quiet about the lack of definitions for man and woman.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Their point is that if the opposition wants to put a legal definition on them, they would more than likely pick the worst possible definition.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Their concerns have validity.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>But, with the changing political climate, we may get to see some of those laws and amendments overturned.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>A definition becomes less of an issue.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">First, let’s look at the dictionary </span><a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/man"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">definitions of man</span></a><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;"> and </span><a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/woman"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">woman</span></a><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">, taken from the dictionary.com.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>We already see the laws against same-sex marriage starting to unravel.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>There are 15 different definitions for “man” and six for “woman.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>I like #2 for man, “A human regardless of sex or age; a person.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>If a marriage is suppose to be between a man and a woman, and a man is a “. . . human regardless of sex . . .” then how can ban same-“sex” marriage?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>I doubt bringing this up to a marriage license clerk would change anything, but it sure begs a chance to question the law.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">Also notice the definitions from man and woman are strongly attached to the words “</span><a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/male"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">male</span></a><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">” and “</span><a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/female"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">female</span></a><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>For “male,” the person has to produce “spermatozoa for fertilizing ova.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>If a man cannot do this, does it mean he is no longer male, thus no longer a man?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>You also see on the # 2 definition, “Virile; manly.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>You have a situation where one word defines another and visa-versa.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>It doesn’t seem right to do that.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">If you look at the definition of “female,” you also see, “Of or denoting the sex that produces ova or bears young.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>We can ask the same question we asked for the male definition. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>“If a woman can no longer produce ova or bear children, is she no longer considered female, thus no longer a woman?”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Based on reading this, I come to the conclusion that there is no clear-cut, solid definition for male, female, man or woman in the dictionary.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>How can they continue to limit marriage to a man and a woman?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>But, there’s more.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">Let’s talk about the physical differences between men/males and woman/females.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>It’s generally accepted that women have ovaries to produce eggs and breasts to feed the young.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>They have a vagina that is designed to take the male’s penis in order to receive sperm to fertilize the eggs.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>A male/man has a penis and testes to produce sperm, usually rougher skin, more aggressive personalities, more hair and a different brain structure.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">The problem is that humans don’t come in neatly arranged physical packages as described above.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Physical anomalies abound.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>According to the </span><a href="http://www.isna.org/faq/frequency"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">Intersex Society of North America</span></a><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">, one in every 100 births in the world are people whose bodies differ from standard male or female in one form or another.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>If you look through the </span><a href="http://www.isna.org/faq/"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">various issues listed on that page</span></a><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">, you will see that it is a combination of visible and internal differences, to sex chromosome differences.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">Portions of the population are born with </span><a href="http://www.isna.org/search/node/ambiguous"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">genitalia</span></a><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;"> that make it difficult for doctors to determine the person’s sex.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>For the longest time, doctors decided what sex to assign the child, but they had a 50/50 chance of being right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Today, the </span><a href="http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;106/1/138"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">American Pediatric Association</span></a><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;"> has modified that procedure to take into account what the child identifies when they get older and make proper surgical decisions at that time.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">Making the wrong decision on what sex a person should grow up to be is drastically demonstrated in the “John/Joan” case of </span><a href="http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/reimer/"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">David Reimer</span></a><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>David and his twin brother both had been </span><span class="body1"><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; color: windowtext;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;">circumcised after birth, but because the doctor was using an inappropriate procedure, he burned off David’s penis.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>The well-known </span></span></span><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">psychologist, </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">John Money</span></a><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">, at </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johns_Hopkins_University"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">Johns Hopkins University</span></a><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;"> suggests they could make David a girl and raise him as one.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">This didn’t work and David grew up realizing something is wrong with his life.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>He found out later what the problems stemmed from and lived the rest of his life, until he committed suicide on May 4, 2004.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>David was 38.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>This shows that gender identity is in the brain and what parts the body was born with makes no difference.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>It’s another flaw in trying to define man and woman.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">One of the chromosome conditions is called </span><a href="http://www.isna.org/faq/conditions/ais"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome</span></a><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">, or <span class="caps">AIS, which</span> occurs in approximately 1 in 20,000 individuals.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Those with AIS are female-bodied individuals who have XY sex chromosome.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>There are also male-bodied individuals who have XX chromosome, which can be caused by various conditions.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>In this area, there is a lot of overlapping of issues facing these individuals, which can include </span><a href="http://www.isna.org/faq/conditions/progestin"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">Progestin Induced Virilization</span></a><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">, <span style="color: black;"><a href="http://www.isna.org/faq/conditions/swyer">Swyer Syndrome</a>, <a href="http://www.isna.org/faq/conditions/turner">Turner Syndrome</a>, and <a href="http://www.isna.org/faq/conditions/pais">Partial Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome</a>.</span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">On this page from </span><a href="http://biology.about.com/od/basicgenetics/a/aa110504a.htm"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">About.com :Biology for Sex Chromosomes Abnormalities</span></a><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">, you can see on the chart six other sex chromosome patterns besides the “normal” XX and XY.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>If you notice, these are assigned a particular gender, but the physical traits can blur the person’s presentation.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>So, what “sex” are they really?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">I also discovered that in the future, there may no longer be a Y chromosome.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>In the research done by Dr Jennifer <span class="prname1"><span style="font-weight: normal; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">Graves</span></span>, Research School Biological Sciences, ANU, Canberra, Australia called “<span style="mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;"><a href="http://www.ichg2006.com/abstract/1344.htm">Human Sex Chromosomes and the Future of Men</a></span>,” she says, “The human Y chromosome is running out of time. At the rate it is degrading, it will lose its last 45 genes in just 10 million years, even taking complicating factors into account.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>We won’t see it, but I thought it was an interesting piece to bring up.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">The case of “</span><a href="http://christielee.net/main1.htm"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">Littleton vs. Prange</span></a><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">” was a prime example of what can happen when the courts make a decision based on they think a person has for sex chromosomes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>In this well-known case, Christie Lee Littleton’s husband of seven years, Jonathan went into the hospital for what was suppose to be a non-life-threatening issue, but ended up dying.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>After a time of grieving, Littleton decided to sue for wrongful death.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">In the course of the trial, the defending lawyers discovered that Littleton had been born with male body parts, and even though she had received all the necessary procedures to be considered a female in the State of Texas, three of the judges assumed she was not really a woman because of her chromosomes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>But, throughout the entire trial, they never once checked what sex chromosomes Littleton or her husband had.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>If Christie didn’t have XY chromosomes, then the case could have been thrown out.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">Because of this decision, in the ten counties that this local district court covers, birth certificates will not be changed for transsexuals who have had SRS.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>However, a post-op trans woman can marry a non-trans woman or a trans man can marry a non-trans man and it would be considered legal.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>By doing this, it means the trans person would have to identify as their birth sex for the marriage to be considered legal.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>I wouldn’t consider changing my identity just to get married.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Thanks to California, I don’t need to.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">The other problem in using chromosomes as the way to determine a person’s sex is the cost.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>It can be from $600 to $900 to have a person’s sex chromosomes checked.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Can you imagine if a state defined man and woman by their chromosomes what a financial burden it would be on couples wanting to get married.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Many couples wouldn’t be able to afford the cost.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>And, I can just see a loving religious right couple getting their chromosomes checked, only to find out they both have XX.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>You can bet they would be screaming about dropping the amendment they fought so hard to pass.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">The next way man and woman can be defined is by what is on their birth certificate.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>However, there are several ways that this is not 100% possible either.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Many Americans cannot get access to a birth certificate because of natural disasters that destroyed the place they were stored at, long before a state could transfer them to computers.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Some people in rural areas may not have ever had one issued.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Many naturalized citizens cannot get a birth certificate from the country they were born in for various reasons.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Also, I have heard that some people were issued a birth certificate that didn’t have a sex one it, some because of the genitalia situation.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">In 46 states and the District of Columbia, a person can get their birth certificate changed after receiving a form of sex altering surgery.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>Idaho, Ohio and Tennessee and parts of </span><a href="http://www.tsroadmap.com/reality/name/texas.html"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">Texas</span></a><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"> are the exception. This usually means a <span style="mso-bidi-font-style: italic;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalloplasty">Phalloplasty</a> or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metoidioplasty">Metoidioplasty</a> for trans men and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_reassignment_surgery">Sex Reassignment/Gender Reassignment Surgery</a> for trans women.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>However, it can also be changed in most of those states when a trans woman gets an </span><span style="color: black; mso-ansi-language: EN;" lang="EN"><a href="http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/orchiectomy">orchiectomy</a>, or the trans man gets <a href="http://www.t-vox.org/index.php?title=FTM_top_surgery_info">top surgery</a> or a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hysterectomy">hysterectomy</a>.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>If the letter is worded correctly, the state will more than likely change the birth certificate.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>For more detailed state-by-state information on the procedure in your state or Canadian </span><span style="mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">Provinces</span><span style="color: black; mso-ansi-language: EN;" lang="EN">, visit <a href="http://www.drbecky.com/birthcert.html">Dr. Becky Allison’s page</a> for instructions.</span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="color: black; mso-ansi-language: EN;" lang="EN"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman;">This means that we are stuck with laws that are based on undefined terms, keeping same-sex couples from enjoying the same rights as opposite-sex couples.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>If anyone were to push the issue, then the end result would cause more problems then it would fix.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>One of the biggest problems would be to invalidate legally married transsexuals, like Christie Lee Littleton, and hundreds of others who stayed married after one person in the marriage changed their sex.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">  </span>We would be damned if we did, but we remain damned because we don’t.</span></span></p>
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