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		<title>By: tina</title>
		<link>http://www.monicahelms.com/blog/gender-binary/stuck-in-binary.htm/comment-page-1#comment-42857</link>
		<dc:creator>tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jeno denuzzi seems to be implying that heterosexual reproduction is nature&#039;s  only existing method to produce viable offspring by saying-

&quot;If there were multiple/spectrum of sexes in existence why is it that in the “Natural World”, you know,the one that exists outside the internet,and predominantly in rural areas…, it takes only male &amp; female to produce viable offspring? Otherwise it would be something out of Sci-Fi,like “Alien Nation” where it took 3 individuals for reproduction.&quot;

In nature there are animals and plants  that reproduce asexually with no cellular union involved, as well as plants and animals that are hermaphroditic...in the case of plants they are often perfectly capable of pollinating themselves, and in animals like sea slugs an individual may not be able to impregnate itself but can serve in both male and female roles when it comes to mating with another of its type.

There are also animals that can change sex depending on reproductive necessity, or do so as a matter of their normal life cycle, like clownfish and wrasses.

As for the need for &quot;3 individuals for reproduction&quot; being some absurd alien concept, this is precisely how many plants reproduce...and they don&#039;t just need a third party to reproduce, they need a third party of an entirely different taxonomic *kingdom* to reproduce- hence the term &quot;the birds and the bees&quot;.

Point being that in what is loosely defined as &quot;nature&quot;, the notion of strict sexual dimorphism and two party sexual reproduction being the norm is what is really &quot;abnormal&quot;...nature doesn&#039;t insist on it and in fact uses all kinds of schemes to reproduce organisms that fall all over the spectrum between male and female, yet when it comes to humans we are supposed to believe that anything other than strict dimorphic polarization and heteronormative behaviors is some abnormal affront to nature...? Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jeno denuzzi seems to be implying that heterosexual reproduction is nature&#8217;s  only existing method to produce viable offspring by saying-</p>
<p>&#8220;If there were multiple/spectrum of sexes in existence why is it that in the “Natural World”, you know,the one that exists outside the internet,and predominantly in rural areas…, it takes only male &amp; female to produce viable offspring? Otherwise it would be something out of Sci-Fi,like “Alien Nation” where it took 3 individuals for reproduction.&#8221;</p>
<p>In nature there are animals and plants  that reproduce asexually with no cellular union involved, as well as plants and animals that are hermaphroditic&#8230;in the case of plants they are often perfectly capable of pollinating themselves, and in animals like sea slugs an individual may not be able to impregnate itself but can serve in both male and female roles when it comes to mating with another of its type.</p>
<p>There are also animals that can change sex depending on reproductive necessity, or do so as a matter of their normal life cycle, like clownfish and wrasses.</p>
<p>As for the need for &#8220;3 individuals for reproduction&#8221; being some absurd alien concept, this is precisely how many plants reproduce&#8230;and they don&#8217;t just need a third party to reproduce, they need a third party of an entirely different taxonomic *kingdom* to reproduce- hence the term &#8220;the birds and the bees&#8221;.</p>
<p>Point being that in what is loosely defined as &#8220;nature&#8221;, the notion of strict sexual dimorphism and two party sexual reproduction being the norm is what is really &#8220;abnormal&#8221;&#8230;nature doesn&#8217;t insist on it and in fact uses all kinds of schemes to reproduce organisms that fall all over the spectrum between male and female, yet when it comes to humans we are supposed to believe that anything other than strict dimorphic polarization and heteronormative behaviors is some abnormal affront to nature&#8230;? Please.</p>
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		<title>By: Jami Bantry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jami Bantry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the Mind of
                                 Jami
Hi Monica,

While I am not a sci fi writer, I am also a fan.  I do agree with your perspective on the binary, and how boring it would be.

About 40 years ago, I read Flatland and, as an Architect, it caused me to be very appreciative of how interesting a 3-dimensional world is and, being scientifically curious about space and time, it caused me to seek more theories on more dimensions.  Additionally, it caused me to realize the effects or entrenched ideologies, and arrogance, of &quot;upper&quot; members in a social caste system.  (Hmm sounds strangely familiar to what happens even within the gender variant community).

Three dimensions are something we just take for granted, but we theorize, postulate and can conceive that there are likely many more.  We just don&#039;t really &quot;see&quot; them.  What could anyone really know about what lies beyond anyone&#039;s (and this) current existence.  No one has been there and back, with evidence to prove, inconclusively, anything beyond here and now.

So, it seems society seems to also take for granted the concept of binary.  They just don&#039;t &quot;see&quot; something else. but everyone knows non-binary exists.

As with you, I realized long ago, that the world is not binary; there is an infinite number of &quot;points&quot; between every &quot;pole&quot; of every aspect of our being.

Very good article, thank you. 

Take care; please be, and ALWAYS stay, safe and well.

Huggs,
jami

&quot;All you need is Love; Love is all you need.&quot;
(Write it, say it, feel it, give it, every moment... and you Live it)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the Mind of<br />
                                 Jami<br />
Hi Monica,</p>
<p>While I am not a sci fi writer, I am also a fan.  I do agree with your perspective on the binary, and how boring it would be.</p>
<p>About 40 years ago, I read Flatland and, as an Architect, it caused me to be very appreciative of how interesting a 3-dimensional world is and, being scientifically curious about space and time, it caused me to seek more theories on more dimensions.  Additionally, it caused me to realize the effects or entrenched ideologies, and arrogance, of &#8220;upper&#8221; members in a social caste system.  (Hmm sounds strangely familiar to what happens even within the gender variant community).</p>
<p>Three dimensions are something we just take for granted, but we theorize, postulate and can conceive that there are likely many more.  We just don&#8217;t really &#8220;see&#8221; them.  What could anyone really know about what lies beyond anyone&#8217;s (and this) current existence.  No one has been there and back, with evidence to prove, inconclusively, anything beyond here and now.</p>
<p>So, it seems society seems to also take for granted the concept of binary.  They just don&#8217;t &#8220;see&#8221; something else. but everyone knows non-binary exists.</p>
<p>As with you, I realized long ago, that the world is not binary; there is an infinite number of &#8220;points&#8221; between every &#8220;pole&#8221; of every aspect of our being.</p>
<p>Very good article, thank you. </p>
<p>Take care; please be, and ALWAYS stay, safe and well.</p>
<p>Huggs,<br />
jami</p>
<p>&#8220;All you need is Love; Love is all you need.&#8221;<br />
(Write it, say it, feel it, give it, every moment&#8230; and you Live it)</p>
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		<title>By: jeno denuzzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeno denuzzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Binaries?Multiples? An interesting viewpoint, but there are greater issues you might want to consider.
Think binary: light/dark,on/off,life/death,being/nothingness &amp; last but not least MALE/FEMALE.
If you need to know I am intersexed; Kallman&#039;s &amp; Turner&#039;s Syndromes. But I do not define nor limit myself by any genetic disorder I have; and I still know the difference between normal &amp;
abnormal.
If there were multiple/spectrum of sexes in existence why is it that in the &quot;Natural World&quot;, you know,the one that exists outside  the internet,and predominantly in rural areas..., it takes only male &amp; female to produce viable offspring? Otherwise it would be something out of Sci-Fi,like &quot;Alien Nation&quot; where it took 3 individuals for reproduction.Yes, there are multiple colors&amp;crystal types in nature, but to transfer that principle to human sexuality
is sophistry at its worst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Binaries?Multiples? An interesting viewpoint, but there are greater issues you might want to consider.<br />
Think binary: light/dark,on/off,life/death,being/nothingness &amp; last but not least MALE/FEMALE.<br />
If you need to know I am intersexed; Kallman&#8217;s &amp; Turner&#8217;s Syndromes. But I do not define nor limit myself by any genetic disorder I have; and I still know the difference between normal &amp;<br />
abnormal.<br />
If there were multiple/spectrum of sexes in existence why is it that in the &#8220;Natural World&#8221;, you know,the one that exists outside  the internet,and predominantly in rural areas&#8230;, it takes only male &amp; female to produce viable offspring? Otherwise it would be something out of Sci-Fi,like &#8220;Alien Nation&#8221; where it took 3 individuals for reproduction.Yes, there are multiple colors&amp;crystal types in nature, but to transfer that principle to human sexuality<br />
is sophistry at its worst.</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica Drantz, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veronica Drantz, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the &quot;gender binary&quot; is bad biology!  I have reviewed the scientific research on the subjects of intersexuality, sexual identity and sexual orientation. See my blog and its work-in-progress PowerPoint presentations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the &#8220;gender binary&#8221; is bad biology!  I have reviewed the scientific research on the subjects of intersexuality, sexual identity and sexual orientation. See my blog and its work-in-progress PowerPoint presentations.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 03:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of one of my favorite Calvin and Hobbes cartoons  (from http://www.gourismitha.com/CalvinandHobbes/Calvin_Dad.html):

Calvin: How come old photographs are always black and white? Didn&#039;t they have color film back then?

Dad: Sure they did. In fact, those old photographs are in color. It&#039;s just that the world was black and white then. The world didn&#039;t turn color until sometime in the 1930s, and it was pretty grainy color for a while, too.

Calvin: But then why are old paintings in color?! If the world was black and white, wouldn&#039;t artists have painted it that way?

Dad: Not necessarily. A lot of great artists were insane.

Calvin: But... But how could they have painted in color anyway? Wouldn&#039;t their paints have been shades of gray back then?

Dad: Of course, but they turned colors like everything else did in the &#039;30s.

Calvin: So why didn&#039;t old black and white photos turn color too?

Dad: Because they were color pictures of black and white, remember?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of one of my favorite Calvin and Hobbes cartoons  (from <a href="http://www.gourismitha.com/CalvinandHobbes/Calvin_Dad.html)" rel="nofollow">http://www.gourismitha.com/CalvinandHobbes/Calvin_Dad.html)</a>:</p>
<p>Calvin: How come old photographs are always black and white? Didn&#8217;t they have color film back then?</p>
<p>Dad: Sure they did. In fact, those old photographs are in color. It&#8217;s just that the world was black and white then. The world didn&#8217;t turn color until sometime in the 1930s, and it was pretty grainy color for a while, too.</p>
<p>Calvin: But then why are old paintings in color?! If the world was black and white, wouldn&#8217;t artists have painted it that way?</p>
<p>Dad: Not necessarily. A lot of great artists were insane.</p>
<p>Calvin: But&#8230; But how could they have painted in color anyway? Wouldn&#8217;t their paints have been shades of gray back then?</p>
<p>Dad: Of course, but they turned colors like everything else did in the &#8217;30s.</p>
<p>Calvin: So why didn&#8217;t old black and white photos turn color too?</p>
<p>Dad: Because they were color pictures of black and white, remember?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Connors</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Connors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 23:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding &quot;Angie&quot; Zapata, while violence is absolutely not condoned, I believe she had a hand in her own death by not being honest.  Any transgender person in a dating situation needs to be brutally honest while dating someone to avoid this situation.  I have been in this situation and before any physical contact happened, I asked the person if she was transgender.  She replied &quot;no&quot; and asked for me to turn off the lights so we could make love.  I did so and waited 10 seconds and then flipped the lights back on and saw a penis staring at me.  I was very angry at this dishonesty and betrayal.  Again, let me state again that there is no excuse for brutality, but honesty would eliminate 99% of these situations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding &#8220;Angie&#8221; Zapata, while violence is absolutely not condoned, I believe she had a hand in her own death by not being honest.  Any transgender person in a dating situation needs to be brutally honest while dating someone to avoid this situation.  I have been in this situation and before any physical contact happened, I asked the person if she was transgender.  She replied &#8220;no&#8221; and asked for me to turn off the lights so we could make love.  I did so and waited 10 seconds and then flipped the lights back on and saw a penis staring at me.  I was very angry at this dishonesty and betrayal.  Again, let me state again that there is no excuse for brutality, but honesty would eliminate 99% of these situations.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FANTASTIC!   Well done!  I&#039;ve been saying this for years!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FANTASTIC!   Well done!  I&#8217;ve been saying this for years!!</p>
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		<title>By: zythyra</title>
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		<dc:creator>zythyra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 03:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this gender variant person who doesn&#039;t have any idea what the heck gender zie is thanks you for this wonderful inclusive post!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this gender variant person who doesn&#8217;t have any idea what the heck gender zie is thanks you for this wonderful inclusive post!!!!</p>
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